***************************************************************************** USAlliance Board on The Curse USAToday Development Posts ***************************************************************************** Msg # :1/50 Title :Well... From :Ware Pusher [Adam] Club :USAlliance Date :Mon Feb 22nd 5:56 am I'm here...just having a little trouble with codes, so I haven't been as active. What would be the point of disbanding and coming back with the same people? However disbanding and giving it up, might not be such a bad idea. Msg # :2/50 Title :such From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Tue Feb 23th 12:40 am an uplifting word in the wilderness of computer hell..... later on Blue Adept... I might start a group....just for the hell of it. Not a full time get everyfuckingwareout group but more of a get out group. I think maybe USA is beyond redemption although I think that we are an effective bunch of people and I think breaking up would hurt more than help. Msg # :4/50 Title :Me.. From :Codex Warrior [Doug] Club :Usalliance Date :Tue Feb 23th 3:42 pm I kinda think disbanding and coming back would be better.. Is Enigma still in? Msg # :5/50 Title :If... From :Ware Pusher [Adam] Club :USAlliance Date :Tue Feb 23th 7:46 pm we were going to disband, we should at least go out with a bang. Like... Ultima V "The Last USAlliance crack" I still think disbanding and coming back is stupid... Msg # :6/50 Title :hmm From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Wed Feb 24th 3:22 am why do you think that Adam? USAlliance get ragged on more and more every day. hell.....i just logged onto some fucking board in Maryland and it said USAlliance board. I see people everywhere in the goddamn country saying that they are part of this fucking group.....GOD....how many people were in this damn thing?.... I don't think that we should announce that we are going out and coming back as a new group. I think that we should just go out quitely and start using a totally different name and start doing things right. I just put out 816paint by our group and am getting sedroiusly better at prodos. I also seriously don't like the name Iron Legue...makes me think of baseball... and I hate baseball. I also think that we should definately start tlaking on Razors edge again. Everybody except adam still calls their. I think that it is a better base for operations than the curse because it isn't as hard to log onto and it has an easy transfer section. soooo...... I also think getting a new group and adding some members or just putting out Good warez instead of puting out every fucking thing that comes along would be cool. later on Blue Adept/C.I.A. or Covert Society are 2 suggestions. Msg # :8/50 Title :If... From :Ware Pusher [Adam] Club :USAlliance Date :Wed Feb 24th 6:55 pm You disband and decide to regroup, don't expect me to be a member. If you need something distributed from time to time, I'll help you out, but I just think that everyone will still think of it as USAlliance. However, if we get a few different people, than I would be with you. Msg # :9/50 Title :AS IN From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Thu Feb 25th 1:40 am what ya mean....do you want to add more or get rid of some? Maybe just sticking out USAlliance might be the best thing to do. gotta do what ya gotta do...owell later on Blue Adept Msg # :10/50 Title :I mean... From :Ware Pusher [Adam] Club :USAlliance Date :Fri Feb 26th 5:22 am As adding...and drop the people who haven't kept in touch like Apple Assassin, and The Enigma. Msg # :12/50 Title :its a good idea From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Sat Feb 27th 4:30 am i like the idea. it would take more than a little planning. You don't just get people to shell out money for a mag....it takes doing. Maybe we could make it an electronic mag though...like on disk or something. i don't know. I think Apple Assassin should be axed. I wrote him a letter in E-mail on Club Zero couple days ago. He never responded. But he shoves the USAlliance thing with his name and his group name and all sorts of shit. Is this guy a loze or what? i don't know him. I told him to ring up the curse or Razors Edge to get in touch. also. Body Glove has been very closely in touch with ralph lately. And lately told ralph some shit that I would rather not repeat. anyway. That is only rumor and nothing else. I am not sure if he did or not. He might be getting out of comptuers here soon. I see him getting tired of it right now. late on Blue Adept Msg # :13/50 Title :Wait a sec.. From :Codex Warrior [Doug] Club :Usalliance Date :Sat Feb 27th 9:52 am It'd be a free pirated magazine that goes to the boards. Kinda like a ware.. Msg # :15/50 Title :thats From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Sun Feb 28th 3:27 am kinda what I thought you meant rotten. But i wasn't sure. I would be in for the idea. It would be great publicity and a lot of fun. We would have to make it worth peoples time to read though. Why don't you start gathering articles and stuff and I will work on creating some neat ways to set it up. Make it easy to use. in machine language of course. anyway. Those are my suggestions and opinions. any others? later on Blue Adept what about Apple Assassin...should I tell him he's axed or what? Msg # :17/50 Title :Shit... From :Ware Pusher [Adam] Club :USAlliance Date :Sun Feb 28th 11:00 pm Let Apple Assassin keep releasing IBM wares...this pirate mag sounds pretty good. The only problem is being able to find new articles to use. I guess for the programming articles, we could have people cover different aspects of C, Pascal, assembly, etc...I could write a ware review, and a "Pirate World News". We could also have a special "pirate history" future like the Curse history. It's a great idea...all we need now is a name. Msg # :18/50 Title :IBM From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Mon Feb 29th 2:01 am well why didn't you just tell me he did IBM warez...christ. I think just setting files up would be stupid though. Have the mag in a cool format. Of course you could take the files out and shit and post then or whatever. But I think it would be BETTER if it was like a program and sent as REL. my views. Blue Adept where the hell is body glove Msg # :21/50 Title :assembly tutor From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Tue Mar 1st 1:53 am how bout asking tom to give us the files on the assembly tutor he is running on the CE just below us. #4.......We can put a couple of them in each issue. They are really basic and understandable. I will ask him. Gather as many files as everybody can. We will use the best. Also. I have the format thing started. Won't take long to finish. I totally disagree with just a bunch of t-files. I think that would be stupid. Anyway. A REL disk with menu and shit and a cool boot screen will kick ass. Also. The file reader that I am writing is superfast. It puts the file in memory and lets you scroll through it at your own pace. Or page through it....lotza other mods also. later on Blue Adept/USAlliance Msg # :23/50 Title :Why don't... From :Ware Pusher [Adam] Club :USAlliance Date :Tue Mar 1st 7:55 pm We start out with one big text file, with everything together, and then ask on boards if they would rather it be a program with menus and stuff. A program would of course look better, but as Steve said, not as m~rany people would get it. About the name, nothing that sounds like a newspaper. Some sort of phrase. Msg # :24/50 Title :Ok. From :Body Glove [Sonny] Club :USAlliance Date :Tue Mar 1st 8:49 pm Ok, Alan gave me a cal last night and filled me in with the latest. the only boards i've been bothering to call are Razor's Edge and MAD, and not much talk about the group has been going on on the former. SO, Alan told me the new ideas about starting theMag and I think it's an excellent idea if we do it right it will probably be a major success. I think we should have it all in a disk, not in stupid, little dinky separate files. I would picture it as one loading up the disk and seeing a title screen with the name of the Newspaper and the group and credit, and then striking a button and a Table of Contents would be displayed on the CRT along with feature articles (such as the Curse history) I like the idea about having it menu driven Alan, is there any way you can make it where the user controls the speed of the scrolling via arrow keys? Basically we can have the usual ingredients for example a review of thelatest wares that have been released, and who cracked them, then for example a bbs review where we select a bbs and we give a review and rating, also..let's not make it a habit, but we can do a rag on someone or a group once in a while on someone that we all, and the rest of the modem media hates. We can have letters sent in from different users stating their opinions on certain things in the computer/pirate/modem world. and then select a few letters to publish. The idea on the tutorials sound great... also, why not have a little article on phreaking? No posting of codes of course, or anything that might land us in trouble, just normal discussion. Then a section on upcoming software/hardware in the apple industry. Then the feature articles such as a Curse history...or for example Pirating back in 83/84, etc etc...Maybe advertise a bbs or two. At the menu you can chose to what page you wish to turn two, or you can go through the entire newspaper from begining to end(with an option to quit by pressing the appropriate ke). Kinda' like a Newspaper, eh? I like the name Alan suggested, 'USA Today'. Anyways, let's hear YOUR ideas. If you guys need a temporary homebase until my board goes up, then i can get a //gs board thats 12/24/96 baud, 20 megs to give us a temporary homebase to stay at. Layders. Body Glove/Sonny P.S. Alan, is there anyway you can make animated graphics, for example, i think it would be cool if we had an advertisement in every newspaper, advertising a bbs and make it totally awesome with moving pictures etc people would like it... later Msg # :27/50 Title :NO From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Wed Mar 2nd 1:15 am i havn';t received a reply from ubik yet. OK. The text file reader will alow people to not only scroll at their own speed but it lets then scroll up and down. And quit out anytime they please. And YES it is extremely small program. Something that will make it even smaller is the fact that I have figured a way to cut the room a text file takes up by 1/4. You would loose inverse charecters and SOME special but not too many. Anyway. I am writing a convert program which will put any file easily in that format. As for the format. It seems we have us a little disagreement. I definately want some phreaking tips and stuff in it. No codez of course but just like the numbers to diferent LD services and tips on hacking and shit. Also. Other things I would like to see in it that seem to clash with RA's...but thats life, eh?....anyway. I think we should put 1 --->GOOD<--- rag file in each issue not written by us of course. but like that livin on a ware thing on Digital Gang. The thing would be to have it be a tasteful rag....(thats just an idea).... Also...I think we would do good to let others submit articles to us freelance if they want. As far as the protection I think 2 things will fix that. Copy protection would be stupid of course but the things I have would not be. First, simply change the catalog track. Secondly the format that some of the files would be in would obviously keep them from being ousted. Some other things that would be nice would be to have a HOT BBS list. Listing the best current bbs's and also have a pirate of the month and l0zer of the month. Have the pirate write something about themselve maybe?...who knows. Everybody start putting together files. When you get them done we need to find a way to get them to me so I can put them together and set the disk up. Of course it wouldn't go out until we had all looked at the final product. graphic screens....yeah. I am already plastering USAlliance animated all over it.....personally I like the idea.....heh heh......this is still in the drawing room of course though so nobody get their panties in a wad..... later Blue Adept/USAlliance ps....when is a fucking ware going to come out???????? Msg # :29/50 Title :ERRR From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Thu Mar 3th 5:13 am Rotten Apple. The rest of the group recently voted to make Body Glove our head. This dosn't change anything except that we will take our final stuff from him. I am sure you are very loyal to phrack but personally I think we need to have it in their. I think people will read the full disk because it will be extremely easy to use and FAST. The reader will have scrolling up and down and shit. And YES USAlliance. I mean christ. What are we doing it for in the first place? Because we love our fellow modemers and want them to enjoy life by our good bountiful things we provide anonomously???? hell no. Everybody in this damn group as well as all others have egos that would float a hot air balloon...seperately!.... As far as a hot BBS list. not just 9600bps. We can have that...and I am sure a lot of em that are 9600 are hot. But more on the ilnes of The Curse/Razors Edge/MAD/The Bombay/ and others that are hot. anyway. Everybody isn't as excited about this in the modem world as we are because some people have tried it and failed. The only way this will be cool is if it IS cool. And that will mean ore than just putting some files together. any other opinions??? also.....we need some more suppliers on the other side of the continent. Doug can't get shit that comes out of california as fast as somebody in LA can. later Blue Adept Msg # :30/50 Title :Things... From :Ware Pusher [Adam] Club :USAlliance Date :Thu Mar 3th 1:58 pm No rags at all! However, a phreak/hack article wouldn't be bad. Not just a list of 800 numbers but more like something to do with switching systems, unix, etc...I'll ask Ax Murderer on Red Sector A if he'd like to do something. Also, I'll do a IIE/IIC ware review, but I think having a GS review would be nice also...someone has gotta do that. Msg # :31/50 Title :Well. From :Body Glove [Sonny] Club :USAlliance Date :Fri Mar 4th 1:10 am Generally I don't usually, and i'm sure y'all agree on this, that we should all have a say in things and not take orders from just ONE person. Opinions and ideas shared is the key to good communication between a group. Few things I disagree with that have been said so far...I agree with Alan that their should be a small section on phrack. Beleive it or not a lot of the Pirates out there are very much intrested and want to learn more on this topic, I can name quite a few, Dave/SA, Ubik, Me, Hansel etc etc, there's a lot of 'em. Just look how active the phreak section is on MAD515(It's the most actice sub board there, and that's a "PIRATE" board!) Nevertheless, we reiterate that there shall be no posting of codes/accounts, pure discussion, instructional material only. Nothing illegal in that. Also, if we have a phreak section it will 'bind' the apple modem world together, phreakers as well as pirates will be reading this and gaining a better understanding in the subject that they have been left in the dark with. Putting up USAlliance on the title page and on the main menu? Well, there shouldn't be a problem with that as long as we give credit when credit is due, after all, it is OUR production...and as long as we give credit to the feedback we get from the users it shouldn't pose as any problem. Having a rag file on the first issue is kinda' sketchy, we should try to get a good impression, but the choice is yours(If we find something REALLY good with a touch of class to write about someone). As far as old pirates go, I can get some things from Electron and Chief Surgeon, but what kind of material do you want? Alan, since your doing the majority of the programming, and when have our ideas sorted out why don't you list the topics that'll be in our first issue and assign different people in the group to gather information on THEIR topic(s) and who will be interviewing who on what. So far we have... Curse History Ware Reviews Tutorials/Instuctional User Feedback BBS Review New Apple Updates(upcoming hardware etc) Commentary (Rag) Phrack Suggestions? Body Glove/Sonny Msg # :32/50 Title :welp From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Fri Mar 4th 4:38 am personally I think everybody has their shit down but I would like to ask certain people to cover certain shit. Right now I want to reiterate something though. One of the reasons for the action about the leadershit is to make the group more a group and not a dictatorship. Sonny is chill about things and this makes us pretty much all equal. I like our group and everybody in it is extremely important and has his shit that is obviously needed. their...thats said. I havn't gotten a response from Tom yet about the tutorial but thats probably because I keep forgetting to ask him on this board...(I e-mailed him on another board he dosn't call much....keep forgetting for this board..ugh).... BG...I thought you would do real well writing part of the phreak thing since you and Adam are the best on that subject in the group. And Adam is putting out the review and some other shit. It would be alright to even put some stuff from phrack itself as long as we gave the author credit. The hot BBS list I think should contain the obvious hottest BBS's PLUS one board number from each member. In other words. Each member can advertise his favorite board. About the RAG thing. What I mean about that is like c00l shit like 'Livin on a Ware' and excellent rags like that. Not some....'Yo DG....ram your computers up your asses' rag....c'mon now...be real.... I also think we should let it be known where any of us can be reached (a board) if somebody has a freelance article they would like to put in. Also. I think we should all vote on the pirate of the issue and the l0zer of the month kinda thing. This will be fun......everybody get your articles together though and start getting them to me. I would even like to include that text nude in the tfiles section of this BBS. Lotza stuff to put in. We can also put the dox to 1 ware in each issue. I am writing some basic cracking files and compiling recent cracks from my personal notes and some borrowed Hardcore Computist magz. later Blue Adept more suggest...PLEASE Msg # :35/50 Title :Hmm. From :Body Glove [Sonny] Club :USAlliance Date :Sat Mar 5th 3:24 am Well i'll have to admit as Steve just said, I don't really know that much about phreaking enough to actually WRITE and intresting, entertaining article. I could probably get some people to work on it though, what particular subject on phreaking would you like covered, Alan? Msg # :36/50 Title :STEVE From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Sat Mar 5th 9:34 am look dude. Watch your mouth. We didn't vote you out or anything. We simply decided body glove would be a better leader. But if you keep acting like an asshole you will see the mighty ax. shape up and be part of the group or get the fuck out. I put your godamn name on Carmen Sandiego along with everybody elses. BECUASE we are a fucking group. And everybody has his place. All the warez that we get from nwo on that I have anything to do with will have all our names on it. BECAUSE we are a group. Now start thinking that way. No text nude. No L0zer of the month. No printing dox until we have pwermission. c'mon....this is the goddamn pirate world not esquire magazine!!! I think the text nude would be kinda funny and diversified. I think the l0zer would be somebody from Mt. Olympus or of course somebody everybody ahtes. I think the 1 dox per issue would be great. And fuck whoever put them out. We won't take their names off the dox anyway. We will just be distributing it all the more. of course the whole group will get to see the final product before its put out. geeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz.........why wouldn't I let everybody see it first? Beleive me...I have no intention of taking this thing and calling it mine at all. It will take everybody in the groups full support to make work. now may we please be a group and not a bunch of independant assholes? I am really pissed. Blue Adept Msg # :38/50 Title :you From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Sun Mar 6th 2:41 am are seriously working on making me hate your guts. Necromancer does not hate me. And yes I will respond to your first 2 stupid paragraphs. YOU put me out of modeming??? BAHAHAHAHAHHAAA....dude...all I would have to do is disconnect your phone a couple times and that would be that. YOU didn't found the group. Killer did. You seem to think you are a lot more powerful than you really are little apple. i'll let it go at that...... Tom is giving the tutorial to me and it will be a good addition to the thing. Some other stuff is also getting finished but I would like to see what everybody else is up to before throwing it all out in the open. later Blue Adept Msg # :39/50 Title :Alan. From :Ware Pusher [Adam] Club :USAlliance Date :Sun Mar 6th 9:45 am Necromancer does hate you. Anyway...I don't see why we need docs. Second, we have one problem here. We are thinking of this as a one-shot deal. We need to save things for future issues, eh? About Carmen Sandiego, did you try to call me Saturday to dist it? I was out and had the hacker on... Has anyone with a IIC gotten Force Seven to work? So far, I have Infocom Docs Disk, Force Seven, and Carmen Sandiego for the IIE/IIC review. Msg # :40/50 Title :Alan.. From :Rotten Apple [Steve] Club :USAlliance? Date :Sun Mar 6th 12:23 pm Fine if you won't end it I will.One, I did found the group, Doug seems to think Killer did. Two, disconnect my phone line? If Killer ever heard of this going on, he porbbaly would get somone in Black Triangle to disconnect your phone line, like they did to Roman's for a few days. I'm glad me and Adam are agreeing about something, that we're looking at a one-shot deal. Save the l0ser of the month and rags for future issues.. I did get side 1 of Carmen up on CurseWares. I think Hansel put up side 2. Ralph does hate you, last time I talked to him. Did you guys make up in the past 3 days? Msg # :41/50 Title :actually From :Blue Adept [Alan] Club :SWPG Date :Sun Mar 6th 2:00 pm no. We havn't. I was just not aware that he had such feelings for me. Heh heh. Like I really care. Get somebody from black triangle to help you? Killer hates YOUR guts.......well. It would be an interesting war. I know a bunch of others who could help me also. As for other things. Adam. I did try to call you all morning and part of the day. The line was busy. in a hurry. Talk later Msg # :42/50 Title :Huh? From :Rotten Apple [Steve] Club :USAlliance? Date :Sun Mar 6th 9:28 pm Alan, who have you been talking to getting this info on past USAlliance matters? Killer doesn't hate my guts, we're pretty good friends. He has bought an IBM and I'm on the Royal Court of his board. We chat now and then about interesting stuff like the past/future of USAlliance, the fall of piracy, why in the world would he switch from Apple to IBM, etc.. WE've had our fights from time to time, but not for a long, long while. Msg # :43/50 Title :Lemme.. From :Codex Warrior [Doug] Club :Usalliance Date :Sun Mar 6th 10:16 pm Clear some things up... The way I remember it, you called up Killer and asked him if he would like to be part of the new group you were forming. Killer's name (used previously in some dumb MSG boards or something) was put into use here. Then you two gathered some dudes and bang.. USAlliance. The way I look at it both you and killer had an equal share in the formation. Anyway, who cares, this is about as exciting as Emdy pirate news.. About Necromancer: A) Somebody has been giving slightly wrong info to him about Alan which has got him in all the wrong impressions. I dunno if anyone will be able to untangle him from all these screwed up pieces of info he's been getting.Also, a MAJOR thing is that there is another Blue Adept on his board. Seems to me like he's getting some wires crossed. My final words are that we have gotten the ball rolling again. Let's not put ANY bumps in our path by having petty squabbles (yes, *petty*). If we can all work well together, more exciting things like Carmen will happen. Damn I had a great weekend, eh Alan? I will definately be getting a ware tommorow (i.e monday), so we'll have another ware to work on. Strike Fleet here we come. Oh yeah, I think Dave/SA has been giving weird info to Necro also.. Steve, keep lookin' for that Legacy info. We'll need all the advance help we can get.. "Livin' on a ware". Dougggggggggggggggggggggggggg Msg # :44/50 Title :The Group. From :Body Glove [Sonny] Club :USAlliance Date :Sun Mar 6th 11:53 pm Ok, finally gotten through to this damned place, it's always busy. From what I have seen the last few days on this sub, thing are starting to deteriorate. People are arguing, throwing futile threats at each other, that's not the way to run a group. Nor is having a dictator stating what will be done and what will not, because if the group doesn't want it that way, they will revolt against the leader for obvious reasons. Basic Machiavellian principles. Anyhow. TO sum up the Newsletter, and to give my two cents worth, i think that putting up the docs to just one ware would be a waste due to the fact if that person actually wanted the docs, all he had to do was to call up a local AE and get them, instead of downloading a whole news letter just to get 'em. Don't you agree Alan?, or did you have some other ideas in mind? Post 'em. I don't see any problem with Nude Text pictures, who gives a flying fuck? If their done well, people will like 'em, if not, then don't do them. Right? Putting out a rag file is what everyone wants to get. Face it. If a file is well written graced with a touch of class and intelligence, people will love to read the scandals that we write abut on different people that 'we' all hate, such as someone's earlier suggestion on Mt Olympus, (We could save that as a bbs review and give it a poor review). I have been trying to contact a few people to help me with some files...with regards to the phrack section, if I can get on this bbs and contact some older friends I can >maybe< get some users from Legion of Doom to write some phreak/hack articles for us. Sound good? I think so. Also, another friend of mine that I am trying to contact is a guy called 'Swamp Ratte'. If you've gotten around you will have read some of this guy's material, funny as hell, he's a good writer and can really get into someone and change their emotions. I'll get him to do some stuff for us. *****************************************************************************